stating that you have been wasting your time, to me sounds like you're on a mission. what mission ? ok we don't walk the same line in this discussion and you feel like you're wasting your time ? so what is it that you wanna tell us ?? what is it that makes your time become so precious and when have you reached a point where you are not wasting your time ? are differences a waste of time ? is even time totalitarian ? sounds no good to me. nobody will beat the shit out of all, since this was a very sarcastic allegoration to what is common in a world of different approaches, but yes i can of course explain what the "thin line" is all about. i think that accusing a person of, let's say antisemitism, is very awkward. Most people would never ever say in public that they have a certain hate towards jewish people. So in order not to say that someone is actually antisemit, most people prefer to use the "anti - zionist". Still one has to ask why people feel the urge to be anti-zionist since most are not even anti-patriotic and most of the time in favor of their own government. So why should one be against the state of Israel when the person is not critizing local authorities. The more often i read your comments and the deeper the discussion goes, the clearer it gets at least to me, that you are repeating the same old anti-jewish stereotypes and sometimes even with a very stiff colour. i do not know what your interpretation of capitalism is but i sure can feel that for you the only bad part in this system is being represented by MONEY (abstract part of capitalism) and mainly this money is in the hands of a jewish lobby that is trying to take over the world! Those malicious assumptions are nothing new, this image of jewish people has been around for over 2000 years and Hitler- Germany actually focused very much on this aspect trying to make believe people more and more that capitalism could only be abolished by killing all jews worldwide! People hate banks, people hate credits and money makers. People hate the wall street, the IWF and everything that has to do with money, but what they adore with a certain romance is apparently the good part of capitalism which is of course the production !!! Workers produce, they sell their body, mind and freedom to produce goods for a society that is built and depending on goods! We almost never question production otherwise the world would probably turn into a place where other qualities count and not producing things we do not need! we don't need a working class, the same way that we don't need a bourgeoisie !we need no class, no state, no god, no nation and no flag in order to be free.
"no germans, no holocaust." daniel j. goldhagen
Re: it's only a shirt
I´m wasting my time here cuz I usually don´t participate in shit-throwing discussions like these! I thought you guys were open-minded, political correct and just cool guys being interested in senseful conversations, as you seem to be from your merchandise, or as you give out to be, or sell out to be. I started in putting some weird yes, but nevertheless interesting information here, and all your reactions have been insulting and attacking!!! I don´t know, nor care now, what your problems are, but if you can´t discuss without throwing shit, then I´ll leave you to it!
I have only mentioned 3 names, Rothshild, Bush and Sharon, but clearly stated that, in my point of view, the enemy as I see him, doesn´t have a flag nor a nationality! those men are puppets, except maybe the first one mentioned, nevertheless you seem to be very keen on accusing me for being anti-semitic or anti-zionist!!! I told you I know some Jews, love them and respect them, still you continue like that... than I normally feel like wasting my time, since you don´t seem to listen or believe what I´m saying!!! If I also declare some sympathy for other human beings, you take me as a racist?! what the fuck is that?! Racism comes in many forms, and if you believe that f. ex. every new-born German has to suffer forever because of the Holocaust, or every Arab is filthy, well then my friends, that makes you racists, does it not?
direct your anger to the right direction, the one that is really attacking you, not to a brother bringing up some proven facts and just bringing some other aspects to the whole discussion. But I guess I understand completely now why this Forum is as empty as it is!
-merovingian-
Re: it's only a shirt
also, how the hell could you feel my interpretation of capitalism?? are you psychic? you don´t have a clue where I come from or what I do, and I did not write about capitalism at all here!! you seem to just have put me in a group with mel gibson or some other idiot right in the beginning, and judge me without hesitating with an image of some stupid stereotype in mind! you couldn´t be more wrong there pal!! I´m sure old mel would get a heart-attack if he would listen to what I have to say! I´m very active in critizising my own government, but that doesn´t tell me to shut up about other governments.
you clearly can go wrong, diff, or at least until someone else starts spinning your wheel...
Re: it's only a shirt
Hello merovingian Followed your discussion with a lot of interest! Would like to tell you some personal thoughts. First of all I am not involved in any kind of what might be called Petrograd activities and I do not consider myself as being antideutsch, pro-zionist (but I am not pro-palestinian as well!). Your last post seemed quite frustrating. You seemed upset, disappointed, back-stabbed in some way by apparently open-minded people. I mean, yes you strongly disagreed with the fairly radical (I know it is the wrong word) pro-zionist arguments of Marxist tourist, but hey you DO have a different opinion and that is absolutely ok!!! Unfortunately you wronged him by accusing him of judging you, putting you in the same camp as Gibson etc. You wronged him here because he did not accuse you and did not throw shit( I think that was your expression) on you. Come on dont betray yourself on this point. I mean you said that you gave some weird but nevertheless interesting information. You felt like the answers have been insulting? And attacking? Attacking yes, but provocation is a very legitimate rethoric tool isnt it? Apart from being attacking, which is fairly legitimate, the answers have not been insulting (at least myself as a simple observer couldnt get that impression ) The information you gave was very interesting!!! Unfortunately I could just as a non pro-zionist agree on one of your latest arguments concerning the Israeli nuclear programm. Yes you are right! This development must be observed and it must be criticized as sharp as possible. So I do agree with you on this point. Nevertheless I must (and I dont intend to attack you personally on this matter!) tell you that you are completely wrong in most other information you are trying to provide. I.e.: Pretending that the bankers Rothshild were the only to benefice from the holocaust (as you cited in one of your first posts) is just a lie. I havent read any scientific essay confirming this point (as you cited) with the exception of german and Danish right wing pamphletists. The Rothshilds being the beneficients of the holocaust just is not true! You seem to be a very open-minded person and I therefore really have my problems believing that that is really your opinion..no it cant really be, or can it?
There was one thing you mentioned I agree a hundred percent with you. Citation: The Jews must be protected, no doubt! But the Palestinians have, as far as I am concerned, the same right to live, to breathe, and to be free! that´s why it´s very difficult to put yourself on one side, because as soon as you do that, you become unfair to the other side. Yes you are absolutely right!! Myself not being antideutsch or whatever might be called the latest trend (where were all the Adorno freaks only 7 years ago?? I mean you know what I am saying: Adorno is enthusiasting; all the left-wing alternative arrivist pseudo political activists are just one big joke!) see your point. But I disagree in your whole dialectic concept, I dare myself to have spotted in your previous argumentation. It is the same rethoric argumentation used by anti-Semitic schools, movements, parties, individuals in nearly 20 centuries. Well I hope this last point doesnt appears too much as a mess to you (honestly I am not a very bad rethoric )
Last but not least: I didnt intend to insult you. I respect your opinion (even if I believe them to be wrong well not wrong but traditionally very close to some global anti-jewish prejudices. N.B. be re-assured only two weeks ago a discovered myself being or possessing anti-jewish opinions even though I pretended not being anti-jewish I just want to say that anti-semitism is deeply rooted in our society and has contaminated our educational social system excruciably!!!!! So no harm intended.
Sorry for my incompetend writing but I am not very much a homme de la matière scientifically spoken
Hope hearing from you soon: the discussion with you is (truly!!) very interesting
Yours, xLev Yashinx
-i will be disapointed as hell if i never make it to the NHL!!!- (tapio vartiainen)
Re: it's only a shirt
Hey diff, guess what, im in europe and ill give you a call soon. Had to search for very long in order to find your webpage which is a really nice one. Couple of interesting issues in your forum, i might join in on a couple, well especially on nhb / mma of course . I read all the crap that was posted by this merovingian kid . dont know if he actually knows where the name comes from but apart from the french kings it also brings to my mind the likes of ODIN and all this fascist bullshit. Anyway, i dont get the point why youre not beating the shit out of this sissy or at least delete his postings. Its almost unbelievable what freedom of speech can bring about! Its obvious that this asshole is a neo-fascist and has got nothing to do with libertarian communism or any emancipated elaborated thougths. We get this kind of hatred towards jews all over the places. The russian guy who posted (is he russian ? since he mentions a russian goal keeper..) is right when he says that antisemitism is deep rooted in our society. Why should such propaganda end up in your forum ? Ok its nice to talk about it but this kid doesnt want or doesnt really know how to discuss since he feels criticism as a personal accusation and starts crying all over the places. I mean children they keep saying you dont want to understand me when you start debating, and his behaviour is like 100% the same. He either gets no hard on or he forgot his password for the arian porn site. Anyway, who gives a fuck about frustrated well fed kids in need for crack. When will i see you ?? Is there a chance we can train ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- shit, you can beat up people, get paid and dont have to go to jail ? sign me up ! quinton rampage jackson.
Re: it's only a shirt
hi satan's pimp! don't get me wrong: i don't consider criticism to be insulting (where did you read that) no not at all!!! i'd like to be criticized, because 'criticism is the head of all passions' (very awkward adorno-translation i know). I just believe myself not being an expert on these things, there's so much literature and i couldn't settle myself in all those argumentations, so there are two ways for 'ignorants' like me: eíther shut up or - and that'S teh way i prefer- state some opinions even if they might be wrong or interpretable: one alternative to get access to knowldge besides the very weird so-called pedagogical educational ID models...
no i am not russian but i like stalin and especially lenin. i'd love being a russian so i could eithe rbecome the follower of the goalie legend yasin or even become a ice-hockey superstar!!! (watch out for the russians in the world championships!)
-i will be disapointed as hell if i never make it to the NHL!!!- (tapio vartiainen)
Re: it's only a shirt
the name merovingian comes from the french King Merovee, who was born in the 16th century and had a red cross as a birth mark just over his heart. They had predicted the birth of this King for 400 years and used the red cross symbol, from where the Red Cross today has its symbol. He is said to be one of the offsprings of Jesus Christ. You are absolutely right, Marxist tourist, when you say that this Anti-semitism is at least 2000 years old, and XlevYashinX when you say how deep-rooted it is today. With me it is not the case at all, although I understand now, after looking better into how I wrote at first, why you got that feeling from my writings. There are a lot of interesting theories about what happened in reality when Jesus was supposed to be crucified. I don´t know rather than any of you which one is correct, but one doesn´t sound stupid at all, that Jakob, his brother, took Jesus down from the cross after 3 hours and they fled to a safe place, and that he later had children with Maria Magdalena, who fled over the Mediterrenean at the year 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed the temple in Jerusalem. This was probably done with the knowledge of those that put together and edited the New Testament, which was after that spread by so-called Christians all over the globe, spreading hatred against all Jews, in letting people think that the Jews had killed that all loving and forgiving Jesus. I´m sure you´ll find this a lot of crap, but you probably agree of the New Testament playing a big role in this anti-semitism today.
where I am talking about one big family, I´m talking about secret societies, like the Illuminati, the Skull n´Bones, the Free-Masons, the Bohemian Grove, the Majestic 12, the Bilderberg Group, the Round Table and others who are all interconnected. I suggest you look on the internet and else where, you´ll find a lot of information about these societies. Respected researchers and others have written and reported a lot about this, like Greg Pallister (the Independant), Noam Chomsky, David Icke, David Barsamian, Alex Jones, Anthony Sutton, William Cooper, Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman, Nancy Tatum, Lt. Col. J. C. Scott and many many more...
Booth, who killed Abraham Lincoln, was an agent of the Rothshilds who had gained control over the U.S. money supply with the Federal Trust Reserve system. Lincoln put into printing "Green Back" money and tried to make the US economy free from the International Banking Elite and give the power of printing money to the Americans. That is also the reason of death of all other American Presidents that were assassinated, they all wanted the US to be independant economically. quite reasonable and understandable. The Rothshilds later gained control over production markets like Mines, steel and oil. The production, as you said marxist tourist, that is useless for mankind, and only destroys our dear nature, but it gives enormous power and wealth to the global elite. And it creates the working class, at least the saddest part of the working class. you also talked about enlightment, if you think about, that it actually could be possible that this elite has stolen the birth right of every human being of enlightment, and forced upon them the bloody religions we know so well today, this all doesn´t sound that stupid after all. Many historians and economists say that the Rothshild family probably possessed up to half of the world´s wealth after WWII, what does that tell you? They are said to have funded Hitler, together with Prescott Bush, the grand-father of George Walker Bush, and a member of Skull n´Bones. At the same time they had agents in the U.S. like D. Rockefeller and J. P. Morgan (Skull n´Bones), controlled the First National Bank of America, controlled the Bank of England, funding W. Churchill (Free Mason), as Banque Nationale de Paris, to name a few...
I apologize again for sounding neo-fascist, anti-semist or whatever, believe me I am not. those are all just theories and ideas, although the documents stating all this are innumerous (that´s why I´m really surprised none of you guys is into all this), i´m not saying it´s the truth and nothing but the truth! but one day the truth will come out...
shalom - merovingian -
Re: it's only a shirt
to the russian goalie : stay calm man, all my words were supposed to be for the french king nuthanger. do you really think russia is going to become the next hockey champ ? what about canada ? what about sweden ? or Doitschland ....
Re: it's only a shirt
to satan's pimp: hell i know i can't forbid your language and i know you're a good guy :). just please don't throw out too hard words
to lev yashin: great user name by the way! we're sure going to get into nice discussions about russia and why russia has never ever been a real communist country by the way, thanx for joining in here, you have a more decent approach then some of us here .
to merovignian: well i have the feeling that we should maybe start another new threat and talk about conspiracy theories! Let me just pick out one thing you wrote cause i really don't want talk about this shit about hitler! you must have been smoking some hard stuff or you've watched too many x-factor episodes. anyway, you wrote :
"those are all just theories and ideas, although the documents stating all this are innumerous (that´s why I´m really surprised none of you guys is into all this)"
did it not come to your mind that yes we might be informed about all those theories (everybody knows jesus never lived in france but somewhere in india or tibet - to be honest i don't give a shit if and where the sucker lived) but they don't make sense and they're not relevant ! yep i do have my doubts about the first american landing on the moon, and yes i don't really believe that jfk got murdered by Lee harvey oswald, but c'mon, most of the people you are naming are more or less the same ones who keep denying that september 11th has been a terrorist act, mainly organised and worked out by antisemits and people who don't believe in freedom, public welfare and human rights! Why do people make up such conspiracy theories and try to sell them as some truth that should not be spoken out ? why do more or less always the same people come up with those ideas ?
i don't give a shit about all this nonsense, even though i know a lot of people find it quite interesting to get devoted to a lobotomy. i gotta chill out now. by the way, according to some conspiracy propagandists, not rothschild but rockefeller supported hitler while rothschild supported the commies. anyway, all bullshit! i bet now you come up with the argument that hitler himself had a jewish backround.......
"no germans, no holocaust." daniel j. goldhagen
Re: it's only a shirt
Hi All, I have been reading this thread and it is a very interesting discussion. (Apart from satan's pimp's posts, of course). I just need clarification in some points: marxist tourist, you are 100% pro Israel but you are against the concept of nations in general. Is this not conflicting? I think after those 2000 years of persecution climaxing in the murder of 6 million Jews, they surely deserved a break, a safe haven, a new nation of Israel. The choice of the location of it was however very unfortunate. (Maybe they should have gone to Brooklyn, as I read in another similar thread, but that's too late now) I know you can find lots of stuff on this topic on the web, pros and cons from both sides. I am personally too little involved in those matters to form a solid opinion or to side with anyone.
Just a few words to satan's pimp: a) If you don't want to comment on the topic of the thread, refrain from posting anything. b)Since you're in Europe, visit Diff and kiss his ass in person instead of making us read your childlike insults. c) In case you have any emancipated elaborated thougths, why don't you share them with us?
----------------------------------------------------------------------- - opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one - Art Blakey (I think)
Re: it's only a shirt
Re: it's only a shirt
)
Re: it's only a shirt
Re: it's only a shirt
